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Most of the ones I have seen have been fourreaux, though I think I have seen one in Spain and have once come across the case on the Somerset Levels. Perhaps like many species it likes sunny weather and dislikes the damp.
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Thanks again Buggy, and Matsukaze. I photographed a more elaborately dressed one of these crossing a track years ago in Spain but I can't now remember what I called the file, so I can't find it!
Yesterday I visited a favourite site at 2450m, where Cynthia's fritillary flies. It is a little early for this species, but going early means more chance of finding sooty ringlets and last year I saw plenty of interesting butterflies on 29th June. Unfortunately, the site is in a part of Valais that has been particularly devastated by the floods and landslips and the bus couldn't go any higher than about 1700m. Above this, the driver said, the roads were impassable. So we had about 5km and 500m vertically to walk just to reach the normal bus stop, at 2200m. This was too much for Minnie - or at least, at the rate she was going, she wouldn't have got there the same day - so I popped her in the backpack and carried her. We followed a track well off the main road (which was covered in heavy machinery trying to repair it) and saw a few butterflies, but really not very many. Alpine heaths were quite common and there were a few large ringlets around, but for the most part it was northern wall, a few pearl-bordered fritillaries and a few whites. I don't think I saw any blues on this part of the walk at all. At 2200m I put Minnie down and she had to do the last bit on her own quatre pattes so I could look for butterflies. But here, there were even fewer! The rough, metalled track at the bottom of the site was completely destroyed and the normally flowery ditch alongside was filled with flaky rock and devoid of both flowers and butterflies:

It doesn't look very sunny in that picture but in fact it was. There was a chilly breeze, but that is normal for the site.
Here is another patch of the same metalled track:

I'm sure they'll repair this, which will probably mess up the roadside ditch even more while they do it.
A little higher up, things were more normal, but very behind schedule. One of my favourite gullies, where mountain and shepherd's fritillaries were flying on 29th June last year, alongside dewy ringlets and dusky skippers, was still full of snow:

Here is a view on the other side - not a promising butterflyscape at the moment!!

There were plenty of marmots around, as always, but I do wonder what effect the devastating weather has had on them - shifting the rocks and flooding their nests:

So we didn't spend long. I had a beer, gave Minnie refreshments and headed back down.
As we passed through a wooded section of the walk, I heard and saw some very noisy Philloscopus warblers in a tree. My birdsong app (Chirpomatic), which is usually very accurate, said they were 'almost certainly Western Bonelli's warblers'. The only one I photographed looked good for this in most ways, except its belly was a bit too cream/yellowish. I'd be grateful if any birders could comment.
The sound (of several birds, sometimes calling at once) is here:
https://www.guypadfield.com/sounds/bonelli5jul2024a.wav
That is the snippet that Chirpomatic said was almost certainly Bonelli's.
Here is the bird I was able to photograph:



The yellow edging on wing and tail feathers is very obvious.
We walked through some great territory on the way down, including huge, glacial boulder fields:

I kept Minnie on the lead in case she nipped down a marmot hole. If she came a cropper beneath those boulders I would have no chance of recovering her ...

An interesting day, but pretty bleak on the butterfly front!
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Yesterday I visited a favourite site at 2450m, where Cynthia's fritillary flies. It is a little early for this species, but going early means more chance of finding sooty ringlets and last year I saw plenty of interesting butterflies on 29th June. Unfortunately, the site is in a part of Valais that has been particularly devastated by the floods and landslips and the bus couldn't go any higher than about 1700m. Above this, the driver said, the roads were impassable. So we had about 5km and 500m vertically to walk just to reach the normal bus stop, at 2200m. This was too much for Minnie - or at least, at the rate she was going, she wouldn't have got there the same day - so I popped her in the backpack and carried her. We followed a track well off the main road (which was covered in heavy machinery trying to repair it) and saw a few butterflies, but really not very many. Alpine heaths were quite common and there were a few large ringlets around, but for the most part it was northern wall, a few pearl-bordered fritillaries and a few whites. I don't think I saw any blues on this part of the walk at all. At 2200m I put Minnie down and she had to do the last bit on her own quatre pattes so I could look for butterflies. But here, there were even fewer! The rough, metalled track at the bottom of the site was completely destroyed and the normally flowery ditch alongside was filled with flaky rock and devoid of both flowers and butterflies:

It doesn't look very sunny in that picture but in fact it was. There was a chilly breeze, but that is normal for the site.
Here is another patch of the same metalled track:

I'm sure they'll repair this, which will probably mess up the roadside ditch even more while they do it.
A little higher up, things were more normal, but very behind schedule. One of my favourite gullies, where mountain and shepherd's fritillaries were flying on 29th June last year, alongside dewy ringlets and dusky skippers, was still full of snow:

Here is a view on the other side - not a promising butterflyscape at the moment!!

There were plenty of marmots around, as always, but I do wonder what effect the devastating weather has had on them - shifting the rocks and flooding their nests:

So we didn't spend long. I had a beer, gave Minnie refreshments and headed back down.
As we passed through a wooded section of the walk, I heard and saw some very noisy Philloscopus warblers in a tree. My birdsong app (Chirpomatic), which is usually very accurate, said they were 'almost certainly Western Bonelli's warblers'. The only one I photographed looked good for this in most ways, except its belly was a bit too cream/yellowish. I'd be grateful if any birders could comment.
The sound (of several birds, sometimes calling at once) is here:
https://www.guypadfield.com/sounds/bonelli5jul2024a.wav
That is the snippet that Chirpomatic said was almost certainly Bonelli's.
Here is the bird I was able to photograph:



The yellow edging on wing and tail feathers is very obvious.
We walked through some great territory on the way down, including huge, glacial boulder fields:

I kept Minnie on the lead in case she nipped down a marmot hole. If she came a cropper beneath those boulders I would have no chance of recovering her ...

An interesting day, but pretty bleak on the butterfly front!
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Very interesting, Guy! When I visited the Italian Alps recently, the top of the Col de la Lombarde (on the border between France and Italy) was also still snow-covered and probably 3 weeks behind normal, and where Cynthia's Fritillary also flies. Photos from 2022 and 2024 below (almost the same view!).
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Are those piccies the right way round, Pete?
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No - corrected! And do let me know if you want them removed, since I'm clogging up your PD!
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Not at all - they're a good complement to the piccies of the Swiss Alps.
With another weekend of rain (it's been torrential this afternoon in Leysin, and it's worse in Valais) more damage is expected. I've never known a summer like it.
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With another weekend of rain (it's been torrential this afternoon in Leysin, and it's worse in Valais) more damage is expected. I've never known a summer like it.
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Looks good for a Western Bonelli's to me Guy
" I don't think they're too bothered about their name."...I do sometimes wonder how taxonomists decide to draw the line and I always find the 'subspecies' nomination a bit odd, if the correct definition of species is used does this mean that when sub-species cross they can only produce fertile offspring sometimes?
As you say the butterflies often don't seem to care one way or the other
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" I don't think they're too bothered about their name."...I do sometimes wonder how taxonomists decide to draw the line and I always find the 'subspecies' nomination a bit odd, if the correct definition of species is used does this mean that when sub-species cross they can only produce fertile offspring sometimes?




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One wonders if there is sufficient time for things to recover at high altitude this summer, Guy. After so many 'early' seasons these last few years, 2024 has been a stark reminder of how bad things can be when we experience a late one.
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Hi Wurzel. Yes, Nature is messier than any neat partitioning into species, subspecies and so forth - not least because speciation is an ongoing process, not something that happened once and forever in Bible days!
That's one of the beauties of living in the Alps. You can see some of the dynamics of speciation just by popping from one mountain to another.
I think there's still time for things to catch up at altitude, David. Many of the high species have two-year life cycles and a couple of weeks later or earlier might not make much difference in the long run. The problem is the torrential rain we're still having, which not only puts things on hold but actually does damage in its own right. I've never seen rain as heavy as it was yesterday, after I'd spent a pleasant (but largely fruitless) day at 2000m. And today, too, the heavens have opened to devastating effect more than once.
In consequence, I've had to work quite hard to find interesting things. One such is this Erebia I found a few days ago in a thore site (thore wasn't flying - I don't know why):


I couldn't get better images of the underside because shortly after those pictures a bunch of mountain bikers came past and that was the last I saw of it! I take it to be bright-eyed ringlet, Erebia oeme, f. caeca. In general, bright-eyed ringlets in Switzerland are ssp. lugens, with greatly diminished spots (still quite 'bright' on the underside, though). I've never seen caeca before but I can't think what else it could be. Suggestions on a postcard ...
Here are a few more piccies from the last week:

(a fresh turquoise blue, showing off its love-hearts)

(now they've finally emerged, false heath fritillaries are one of the few butterflies doing really well)

(alpine heaths were late too, but are now locally common)

(this alpine grizzled skipper lacks the 'triple-point')

(I think I'm getting the hang of wood white and cryptic wood white, but that's for another post! If I'm right, this one is a wood white)

(mountain green-veined white is another one that has suddenly become common at altitude; this is a female)

(this is a male mountain green-veined white)

(this is why it's worth living in the Alps even when the butterflies are poor ...)
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I think there's still time for things to catch up at altitude, David. Many of the high species have two-year life cycles and a couple of weeks later or earlier might not make much difference in the long run. The problem is the torrential rain we're still having, which not only puts things on hold but actually does damage in its own right. I've never seen rain as heavy as it was yesterday, after I'd spent a pleasant (but largely fruitless) day at 2000m. And today, too, the heavens have opened to devastating effect more than once.
In consequence, I've had to work quite hard to find interesting things. One such is this Erebia I found a few days ago in a thore site (thore wasn't flying - I don't know why):


I couldn't get better images of the underside because shortly after those pictures a bunch of mountain bikers came past and that was the last I saw of it! I take it to be bright-eyed ringlet, Erebia oeme, f. caeca. In general, bright-eyed ringlets in Switzerland are ssp. lugens, with greatly diminished spots (still quite 'bright' on the underside, though). I've never seen caeca before but I can't think what else it could be. Suggestions on a postcard ...
Here are a few more piccies from the last week:

(a fresh turquoise blue, showing off its love-hearts)

(now they've finally emerged, false heath fritillaries are one of the few butterflies doing really well)

(alpine heaths were late too, but are now locally common)

(this alpine grizzled skipper lacks the 'triple-point')

(I think I'm getting the hang of wood white and cryptic wood white, but that's for another post! If I'm right, this one is a wood white)

(mountain green-veined white is another one that has suddenly become common at altitude; this is a female)

(this is a male mountain green-veined white)

(this is why it's worth living in the Alps even when the butterflies are poor ...)
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As an addendum to my previous post: Vincent Baudraz agrees the all-dark Erebia is oeme. The form is apparently known from that area.
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Up my local mountain today, more typical bright-eyed ringlets (Erebia oeme) were flying:


Because it was quite cool, they weren't closing their wings, but I got this distant shot of an underside, using flash:

It is a feature of this species that the underside is essentially the same as the upperside.
I also found a more typical alpine grizzled skipper (Pyrgus andromedae), showing the 'triple-point':

At 1850m this male Aricia was flying. Officially, it has to be artaxerxes at this altitude but I can only see it as agestis:

Perhaps agestis is creeping up the mountains ...
Here is one of our local marshies:

Finally, this was my first large grizzled skipper (Pyrgus alveus) of the year, at about 1700m:


I can't judge exactly how far behind things are, as this is only my second complete summer on the mountain, but I'm guessing at least two weeks. Neither of mountain or shepherd's fritillary is flying yet and these normally appear in June.
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Because it was quite cool, they weren't closing their wings, but I got this distant shot of an underside, using flash:

It is a feature of this species that the underside is essentially the same as the upperside.
I also found a more typical alpine grizzled skipper (Pyrgus andromedae), showing the 'triple-point':

At 1850m this male Aricia was flying. Officially, it has to be artaxerxes at this altitude but I can only see it as agestis:

Perhaps agestis is creeping up the mountains ...
Here is one of our local marshies:

Finally, this was my first large grizzled skipper (Pyrgus alveus) of the year, at about 1700m:


I can't judge exactly how far behind things are, as this is only my second complete summer on the mountain, but I'm guessing at least two weeks. Neither of mountain or shepherd's fritillary is flying yet and these normally appear in June.
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I reckon Wallace would have come up with his theory a bit quicker if he'd have lived in the Alps
A great collection, even if behind schedule Guy
Great description of the markings on the Turquoise Blue and I love the 'forsting' on the Alpine Grizzlie
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Hi Wurzel. I agree - the 'frosting' on the alpine grizzly is characteristic. I actually see it as a diaphanous veil, draped along the margin on the hindwing. Nothing else has that effect. And I agree: if you're thinking of sending your lovely wife a Valentine's day card of a butterfly, turquoise blue is a no-brainer!
I nipped over to the Bernese Oberland yesterday for scarce and dusky large blue. Both actually fly much closer to where I live, but for scarce I have to trespass in some gardens and for dusky I have to venture into an irritable woman's hay meadow (I've only actually been shouted at once, when the late, lamented Paul Wetton tried to set up his video equipment in her meadow!
), so Minnie and I took the train to Gstaad and then the bus up into the mountains. I chose the wrong day: a rare sunny Sunday! All the world and his dog was on the same bus - in fact, they put on an 'Extrafahrt' because so many people wanted to go there. The site is a popular leisure resort and yesterday there was a lot of leisure going on. This made photographing scarce large blues, which require patience and skill, very difficult, so after a jaunt round the lake and a couple of beers, Minnie and I set off through the woods and down towards Gstaad to find other sites for these rare blues.
We were successful. It was too hot by this time for any uppersides, but we found both species along our way. Scarce large blue is generally more local and harder to find. Here are a couple of individuals:


That second one was at a tiny patch of marsh between cut and ploughed fields.
Dusky large blue was easy by comparison. Everywhere there was greater burnet, I found it. Here is a female, laying eggs by the road against a typical background of the Bernese Oberland:

She wasn't being particularly cooperative. Here is a shot with an egg in the bomb bay. I would have preferred a nice side-on view!

Here is another roadside individual:


I was watching a female dusky large blue laying eggs when a male arrived and appeared to mate her. I took a video of the coupling:
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In that video, the female is the one flapping her wings. She is actually trying to fight off the male, because all she wants to do is lay her eggs. Shortly after the end of the video the male flew off and she continued laying. This is her:

I continued walking and found more dusky large blues wherever there was greater burnet, though no more scarce.


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I nipped over to the Bernese Oberland yesterday for scarce and dusky large blue. Both actually fly much closer to where I live, but for scarce I have to trespass in some gardens and for dusky I have to venture into an irritable woman's hay meadow (I've only actually been shouted at once, when the late, lamented Paul Wetton tried to set up his video equipment in her meadow!

We were successful. It was too hot by this time for any uppersides, but we found both species along our way. Scarce large blue is generally more local and harder to find. Here are a couple of individuals:


That second one was at a tiny patch of marsh between cut and ploughed fields.
Dusky large blue was easy by comparison. Everywhere there was greater burnet, I found it. Here is a female, laying eggs by the road against a typical background of the Bernese Oberland:

She wasn't being particularly cooperative. Here is a shot with an egg in the bomb bay. I would have preferred a nice side-on view!

Here is another roadside individual:


I was watching a female dusky large blue laying eggs when a male arrived and appeared to mate her. I took a video of the coupling:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd8n1Ol ... uyPadfield
In that video, the female is the one flapping her wings. She is actually trying to fight off the male, because all she wants to do is lay her eggs. Shortly after the end of the video the male flew off and she continued laying. This is her:

I continued walking and found more dusky large blues wherever there was greater burnet, though no more scarce.


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It's great seeing those Dusky Large Blues Guy as it takes me back to a baking summer holiday in the Czech Republic - my first foreign butterflying trip
I had a similar experience to you in that the Dusky LBs were all over the Greater Burnet
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I took a trip today to a wetland I have never visited before, where I think/hope chestnut heath flies. I didn't see any today, but this is a strange year so I'll try again if I get the chance.
I did see quite a lot of damselflies/dragonflies. Most were common things, and most of the dragonflies, rather than damselflies, never stopped to be photographed or identified, but I have one query that I hope someone can help with.
Platycnemis pennipes is common in Switzerland. The hind tibia of the male are broad and white, with a black stripe in the middle of the paddle. The mid-tibia are slightly expanded but not so you would notice. This is a mature male, photographed today:

This immature male was photographed in 2018:

Today I photographed a quite different insect, with ballooning flanges on both hindlegs and mid-legs:

It's obviously a teneral male, and my instinct was latipes - but this species doesn't fly in Switzerland. Does anyone know if pennipes can have broad wings on the mid-legs as well as the hindlegs?
The picture is rubbish, as the insect was just the wrong distance away, and I was caught between patches of marshy water I didn't want to step into.
In other news, this pair of southern heath fritillaries was enjoying an intimate moment when another male flew in:

He started snuggling up ...

... getting bolder all the time:

When I left them, he was still there, basking in the love:

Here is a pair of Ischnura elegans (male above, female below):

And here, I think, is a teneral male of the same species:

This, I think, is a female, but there are so many baffling colour variations I'm not sure:

I need to do more work on my dragons and damsels!
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I did see quite a lot of damselflies/dragonflies. Most were common things, and most of the dragonflies, rather than damselflies, never stopped to be photographed or identified, but I have one query that I hope someone can help with.
Platycnemis pennipes is common in Switzerland. The hind tibia of the male are broad and white, with a black stripe in the middle of the paddle. The mid-tibia are slightly expanded but not so you would notice. This is a mature male, photographed today:

This immature male was photographed in 2018:

Today I photographed a quite different insect, with ballooning flanges on both hindlegs and mid-legs:

It's obviously a teneral male, and my instinct was latipes - but this species doesn't fly in Switzerland. Does anyone know if pennipes can have broad wings on the mid-legs as well as the hindlegs?
The picture is rubbish, as the insect was just the wrong distance away, and I was caught between patches of marshy water I didn't want to step into.
In other news, this pair of southern heath fritillaries was enjoying an intimate moment when another male flew in:

He started snuggling up ...

... getting bolder all the time:

When I left them, he was still there, basking in the love:

Here is a pair of Ischnura elegans (male above, female below):

And here, I think, is a teneral male of the same species:

This, I think, is a female, but there are so many baffling colour variations I'm not sure:

I need to do more work on my dragons and damsels!
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I remember your Czech trip, Wurzel! When are you going to do a Swiss trip?Wurzel wrote: ↑Wed Jul 17, 2024 6:39 pm It's great seeing those Dusky Large Blues Guy as it takes me back to a baking summer holiday in the Czech Republic - my first foreign butterflying trip![]()
I had a similar experience to you in that the Dusky LBs were all over the Greater Burnet
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Hmmmm, an interesting Featherleg Damsel. I don't have any experience with anything that's not found in the UK beyond my guidebook but it does look more like latipes than pennipes. The range in my book for the former does butt up to the southern French/Italian border but its also published in 2006 so that distribution could well be outdated and a range expansion could go relatively unnoticed if its hugely outnumbered by pennipes. Having said all that, here's a pennipes taken at Bookham Commons where we can be pretty certain of it's identity!
with regard to your Blue-tail, that looks like a female 'type c' an immature form although I'm with you on it being a confusing species. Even more so in the southern part of it's range where the splitters look like their having a field day with it!Some addictions are good for the soul!
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Thanks Buggy. Your adult male pennipes has much bigger flanges on the middle legs than I've seen and confirms that my insect could have been a teneral pennipes. For now, I'll call it that, as I can't find any reference to latipes in Switzerland and teneral insects are much more difficult than adults. I'm always conservative in my IDs, so when I really do get a major twitch I can enjoy it properly, without any doubts!
I was busy this morning with meetings and other stuff so did a relatively local trip this afternoon, to my nearest cranberry fritillary site. I last visited on 28th June with my sister, when males were already numerous. Today, females were equally numerous - and far more amenable. The males were in constant motion, looking for nuptial fun, while the females were laying and resting. Here are two, the first on vegetation beside the cranberry bog and the second on the foodplant itself:


The books give all sorts of ways of recognising cranberry fritillaries. In the field, they simply identify themselves. If you're in a Vaccinium bog and lots of small fritillaries are zooming around, you're looking at cranberry fritillaries.
The year tick for today was moorland clouded yellow. This also feeds on cranberries and is present in low numbers at this site:

I did a broader walk, taking in dry meadows as well as the cranberry bogs. Butterflies in general were thin on the ground but here are a few notable species:

(purple-edged copper - only my second of the year, bizarrely!)

(on the continent, silver-studded blue has no particular association with heaths; this female was in a cow field, near the trough)

(turquoise blues are easy to identify in flight, being a light, bright blue, lacking the depth of Adonis)

(I've seen very few larger fritillaries this year; this dark green fritillary was only my fourth - and I have yet to see Niobe or high brown)

(my faithful friend plodding around the course! I think Minnie must have put in more kilometres over her 12½ years than any dog of comparable size in the world. She finds it harder now, especially in the heat, but I look after her and carry her when necessary)

(and I always find shady places for her to chill out while I wait for the butterflies!
)
Guy
I was busy this morning with meetings and other stuff so did a relatively local trip this afternoon, to my nearest cranberry fritillary site. I last visited on 28th June with my sister, when males were already numerous. Today, females were equally numerous - and far more amenable. The males were in constant motion, looking for nuptial fun, while the females were laying and resting. Here are two, the first on vegetation beside the cranberry bog and the second on the foodplant itself:


The books give all sorts of ways of recognising cranberry fritillaries. In the field, they simply identify themselves. If you're in a Vaccinium bog and lots of small fritillaries are zooming around, you're looking at cranberry fritillaries.
The year tick for today was moorland clouded yellow. This also feeds on cranberries and is present in low numbers at this site:

I did a broader walk, taking in dry meadows as well as the cranberry bogs. Butterflies in general were thin on the ground but here are a few notable species:

(purple-edged copper - only my second of the year, bizarrely!)

(on the continent, silver-studded blue has no particular association with heaths; this female was in a cow field, near the trough)

(turquoise blues are easy to identify in flight, being a light, bright blue, lacking the depth of Adonis)

(I've seen very few larger fritillaries this year; this dark green fritillary was only my fourth - and I have yet to see Niobe or high brown)

(my faithful friend plodding around the course! I think Minnie must have put in more kilometres over her 12½ years than any dog of comparable size in the world. She finds it harder now, especially in the heat, but I look after her and carry her when necessary)

(and I always find shady places for her to chill out while I wait for the butterflies!

Guy
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Re: Padfield
"When are you going to do a Swiss trip?
"I need to work on persuading my wife...it could take some time
Montpelier this year and Croatia next, then we'll have to see
Interesting to see the Cranberry Frits, I get what you mean about recognizing them - there's something I can't pin down that obviously different about them
Have a goodun
Wurzel






Have a goodun
Wurzel
Re: Padfield
Good to see how things are naturally developing round your way, Guy.
Where does this butterfly season fit in to all the others since you've lived there?
Where does this butterfly season fit in to all the others since you've lived there?