Dear Roger,
I certainly don't want to start a large discussion here and apologise if my first post appeared a bit too defending, I shouldn't have put it that strong maybe.
Ofcourse every citizen science project has to cope with the quality of the data it gathers. I am fully aware of that (check
this article on that matter

) and I think this will not be different with
P. mannii in the PACA region or any other region. And very often it is the rarer of a species pair that has to cope with the (relatively) largest amount of false data.
This however is in my opinion not contradictory to the fact that
P. mannii is spreading its range in France as well and has been seen on a large number of unusual places in the east of France, consistent with the pattern we have seen in Switzerland, southern halve of Germany and the low countries.
And indeed the range expansion was probably not made directly from S to N. The suggestion that Ziegler made when he described the species' expansion in N Switzerland (2008) was that the species reached that region through the French Rhône valley, and this still seems a vallid suggestion to me. From there the Rhine valley was quickly reached, enabling the species to move north and diluting to west (including NE France) and east from there.
It is however nowadays already present in large parts of NE France and I would think that P. mannii can be found locally in the correct habitat and at the right timing (generations seem to be a bit more concentrated here in the N than in
P. rapae but this is just a feeling) in all northeastern departements of France and that the map on the website of Lafranchis is outdated and an underestimation.
It was for example already described from
the Haut-Rhin in 2009, only one year after the article by Ziegler describing the species' expansion in Switzerland. Essayan et al. (2012) describe the species from several departements north of the Alps in E France (article in Alexanor, I have it in pdf if people are interested). Check also this
information by Bourgogne Nature where there is a map of sightings at the end. In an article in the German local magazine
Melanargia Werner Schmidt-Koel describes how he has found the species in a French village in the Moselle departement close to the German border in 2014, so in the very northeast of France. He also describes sightings near Nancy.
And some sightings on the Dutch based citizen science platform observation.org show the species to be present at the edges of villages,
this one in the Vosges and
this lady has a lot of observations in her suburban garden in the Loire.
So more than one example showing how widespread the species is in the NE of France.
So apologies for my too defending first post but don't underestimate how widespread the species is!
David M wrote:It has certainly helped me to increase my understanding of this species.
Thanks David!
