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do better this year. Another male Silver-washed Fritillary. All the above photos were taken at C.W.
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On the male at the bottom left of the photo there is a spot missing in the cell of the forewing
and two spots missing on the hindwing, so is this an aberration? This photo was taken at 18.06.on the same day.
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as were the two Common Blue pictures above. I took this photo of this Grizzled Skipper simply because
i like the cobweb on the dead Hardhead flower. 2011 was the first time i had seen a Silver-Studded Blue, what a beautiful butterfly. I have only seen Green hairstreaks on flowers on a couple of occasions, so was quite
pleased to get this photo.
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and found this female Common Blue posing nicely on this colourful plant. When the weather is cold and overcast you can quite often find a Dingy Skipper
at rest with their wings wrapped around their chosen resting place.This one
wisely choosing this flower, so he/she can nectar at will. The Small Tortoiseshell is becoming rather scarce in my neck of the woods so
i was glad to find this one.When i was a child they were common place,
seeing a dozen or more at a time feeding on various plants in the garden. I was very surprised, but privileged to see this dormouse in the middle of
this track at C.W.at 9.15 in the morning. What a adorable creature.
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Hi Nick,
Some more lovely images.
Strange as it may seem, my favourite so far is the Red Admiral so wonderfully camouflaged on the decaying tree stump.
Keep them coming.
Kind regards. Mark
Some more lovely images.
Strange as it may seem, my favourite so far is the Red Admiral so wonderfully camouflaged on the decaying tree stump.

Keep them coming.
Kind regards. Mark
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Hi Mark,
thankyou for your kind comments, appreciated.
As you like the Red Admiral on the decaying tree stump so much, here is another
shot i took from the front of the same butterfly. All the best,
Nick.
thankyou for your kind comments, appreciated.
As you like the Red Admiral on the decaying tree stump so much, here is another
shot i took from the front of the same butterfly. All the best,
Nick.
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These are really lovely photos, Hideandseek! I particularly like the dormouse - a species I have yet to see despite one having appeared regularly at a friend's bird table a few years ago.
To answer a question you asked - yes, the common blue without a cell spot is a recognised form, icarinus. I don't know what the frequency of this form is but it is generally found in a rather small percentage of individuals.
And to answer one you didn't ask - that small skipper is a female. Although it has a dirty black splodge, this is not a sex brand. The sex brand would be in the middle of the wing.
Guy
To answer a question you asked - yes, the common blue without a cell spot is a recognised form, icarinus. I don't know what the frequency of this form is but it is generally found in a rather small percentage of individuals.
And to answer one you didn't ask - that small skipper is a female. Although it has a dirty black splodge, this is not a sex brand. The sex brand would be in the middle of the wing.
Guy
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You lucky soul!hideandseek wrote:I was very surprised, but privileged to see this dormouse in the middle of
this track at C.W.at 9.15 in the morning. What a adorable creature.
A couple of years ago I got lost in Croes Robert Wood in Gwent and hacked my way through the forest cover in an attempt to find my way back to the track. I came across several Dormouse boxes and I opened a few to see if there were any inside. Sadly, there weren't, but I remain hopeful that one day I'll chance upon this most supremely cute mammal.
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Hi Guy,
Thankyou for your really nice comment on my photos. The Dormouse is the only one i have ever seen, but i count myself lucky to have seen one at all.
Also thanks for the information on the male Common Blue, its very kind of you.
On the Small Skipper, my identification was based on the antenna, [not the black splodge] the females antenna is totally differrent to that of the males.
Here are two photos to show you what i mean, and how i came to the conclusion that i think the photo in question is a male. Female Small skipper. Male Small Skipper Photo in question.
Thanks again Guy,
all the best,
Nick.
Thankyou for your really nice comment on my photos. The Dormouse is the only one i have ever seen, but i count myself lucky to have seen one at all.
Also thanks for the information on the male Common Blue, its very kind of you.
On the Small Skipper, my identification was based on the antenna, [not the black splodge] the females antenna is totally differrent to that of the males.
Here are two photos to show you what i mean, and how i came to the conclusion that i think the photo in question is a male. Female Small skipper. Male Small Skipper Photo in question.
Thanks again Guy,
all the best,
Nick.
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I thought it was a male because of a) the large eye size (there was a thread about this a while ago), and b) the tuft at the end of the abdomen appears to stick out beyond the line of the hindwings. But that was just my instant appraisal...
Dave
Dave
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Hi Nick,
I've just looked at your picture of the Small Skipper. I feel it's definitely a male. We are of course looking at the underside of the left forewing (which I didn't at first realise when looking at the image earlier) and, if you look really close, you can just make out what I believe to be the sex brand on the dorsal surface to the right of the upper black mark. The eye is also rather large, another key indicator of sex in this species.
That's a great shot of the female on the bracken.
Keep them coming.
Kind regards. Mark
I've just looked at your picture of the Small Skipper. I feel it's definitely a male. We are of course looking at the underside of the left forewing (which I didn't at first realise when looking at the image earlier) and, if you look really close, you can just make out what I believe to be the sex brand on the dorsal surface to the right of the upper black mark. The eye is also rather large, another key indicator of sex in this species.
That's a great shot of the female on the bracken.
Keep them coming.
Kind regards. Mark
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My apologies! I had seen that as the upperside of the right forewing and stand corrected. I thought it was anomalous that the apical grey should be showing through but it is not at all anomalous given that it's the underside.
Yes, most certainly a male.
Guy
Yes, most certainly a male.

Guy
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You're not the only one, Guy.padfield wrote:I had seen that as the upperside of the right forewing and stand corrected.
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Thanks Guy, but it seems you were not the only one. [A misleading photo]
Hi Mark and Dave,
Many thanks for your input on the id of the Small Skipper.
Mark you are of course right, it is the underside view of the Skippers wing. There is not a lot of difference in the eye size, and is very hard to see unless you have a photo of both the male and female in the same picture, and sitting at the same angle.
Dave you are also right about the abdomen. But i think the best way for identification is the antenna, especially when the wings are closed, you can`t go wrong.
Thankyou for your kind comment on the female Small Skipper Mark.
Thank you all again,
Nick.
I have just seen Lee hurrell`s photo of the small Skippers mating, and you can clearly see the
difference in eye size, well done Lee.
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Hi Mark and Dave,
Many thanks for your input on the id of the Small Skipper.
Mark you are of course right, it is the underside view of the Skippers wing. There is not a lot of difference in the eye size, and is very hard to see unless you have a photo of both the male and female in the same picture, and sitting at the same angle.
Dave you are also right about the abdomen. But i think the best way for identification is the antenna, especially when the wings are closed, you can`t go wrong.
Thankyou for your kind comment on the female Small Skipper Mark.
Thank you all again,
Nick.
I have just seen Lee hurrell`s photo of the small Skippers mating, and you can clearly see the
difference in eye size, well done Lee.
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Hi David,
I also knew of some Dormouse boxes some years ago, and checked them regularly, no luck, just a couple of Blue Tits nests.
All the best,
Nick.
I am lucky indeed, especially as it just sat there whilst i took a couple of pictures. I was talking to Neil [sussex kipper] about it, and he informed me that he had seen one in the same place the day before, [or the day after] that makes two lucky blokes.David M wrote:You lucky soul!hideandseek wrote:I was very surprised, but privileged to see this dormouse in the middle of
this track at C.W.at 9.15 in the morning. What a adorable creature.
A couple of years ago I got lost in Croes Robert Wood in Gwent and hacked my way through the forest cover in an attempt to find my way back to the track. I came across several Dormouse boxes and I opened a few to see if there were any inside. Sadly, there weren't, but I remain hopeful that one day I'll chance upon this most supremely cute mammal.
I also knew of some Dormouse boxes some years ago, and checked them regularly, no luck, just a couple of Blue Tits nests.
All the best,
Nick.
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As in my previous post distinguishing the male from the female Small Skipper by the
antenna, the same applies to the Large skipper as depicted in the pictures below. I
know the majority of you will know this, [if not all of you] but for beginners this method
of identification for the Small and Large Skippers is simple and easy, especially when
the butterfly is sitting with their wings closed.I used this form of ID when i first started
butterflying, and still do for these two species. Male Large Skipper Female Large Skipper Male Large Skipper Female Large Skipper Large Skippers mating, male on the left, female on the right.
antenna, the same applies to the Large skipper as depicted in the pictures below. I
know the majority of you will know this, [if not all of you] but for beginners this method
of identification for the Small and Large Skippers is simple and easy, especially when
the butterfly is sitting with their wings closed.I used this form of ID when i first started
butterflying, and still do for these two species. Male Large Skipper Female Large Skipper Male Large Skipper Female Large Skipper Large Skippers mating, male on the left, female on the right.
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It's amazing just how different the two sets of antennae are, not to mention the difference in the size of the eyes. I've never seen this referenced in any book on butterflies (and I've probably read 30+ in my lifetime).
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Hi David,
If you look on the species specific forum, favourite photo, Silver-Spotted Skipper, you will find that Neil [Sussex Kipper]and myself both made references to this subject.
All the best,
Nick.
If you look on the species specific forum, favourite photo, Silver-Spotted Skipper, you will find that Neil [Sussex Kipper]and myself both made references to this subject.
All the best,
Nick.
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On my last post i was talking about the differences between the male and females antenna of the Large Skipper.
Now i will turn my attentions to the eyes of the Wood White, the males being larger than that of the female. This photo was taken [2011] in the evening sun, which rather spoils the picture. But clearly shows you the difference in eye size. The male being the Wood White at the bottom, female at the top. In this photo not only are the males eyes bigger, but also a different colour to that of the female, the females being a shade of green, the males blue.Where as in the first picture the eyes of both sexes are blue. In this photo again the the females eyes are smaller, and a different colour to that of the males, but also there is a lack of hair around the top of the legs as in the top two photos.[The top three photos all depict 2nd brood butterflies]Now i found the naked tops of the legs quite unusual as i had never seen this in the 1st brood, but all 2nd brood Wood Whites i saw in 2010 were like this. Here is another 2nd brood W.W. again hairless on top of the legs. So now i thought this was the norm with the 2nd brood. Until i took this picture last year, [2011] which as you can see is quite normal, also 2nd brood. And again this one [also taken in 2011, and again a 2nd brood W.W.] is normal, apart from the eyes, which are a different colour, this time they are purple.
Why the males have larger eyes to that of the females is easy to answer. The males need larger eyes in order to find/hunt down the females for mating/reproducing. But why some Wood Whites differ in eye colour, and some 2nd brood W.W.have hair on the tops of their legs and some do not, i have no answers .
Now i will turn my attentions to the eyes of the Wood White, the males being larger than that of the female. This photo was taken [2011] in the evening sun, which rather spoils the picture. But clearly shows you the difference in eye size. The male being the Wood White at the bottom, female at the top. In this photo not only are the males eyes bigger, but also a different colour to that of the female, the females being a shade of green, the males blue.Where as in the first picture the eyes of both sexes are blue. In this photo again the the females eyes are smaller, and a different colour to that of the males, but also there is a lack of hair around the top of the legs as in the top two photos.[The top three photos all depict 2nd brood butterflies]Now i found the naked tops of the legs quite unusual as i had never seen this in the 1st brood, but all 2nd brood Wood Whites i saw in 2010 were like this. Here is another 2nd brood W.W. again hairless on top of the legs. So now i thought this was the norm with the 2nd brood. Until i took this picture last year, [2011] which as you can see is quite normal, also 2nd brood. And again this one [also taken in 2011, and again a 2nd brood W.W.] is normal, apart from the eyes, which are a different colour, this time they are purple.
Why the males have larger eyes to that of the females is easy to answer. The males need larger eyes in order to find/hunt down the females for mating/reproducing. But why some Wood Whites differ in eye colour, and some 2nd brood W.W.have hair on the tops of their legs and some do not, i have no answers .
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This picture below depicts three 1st brood Wood White males taking in salts to replenish
their energy levels after copulation. Mating takes a lot of the male butterflies energy,and that is why you will often see them
taking in salts from various sources such as animal droppings, burnt wood and damp soil etc.
Chalkhill and Adonis Blues are seen after mating in quite large numbers on dog poo, which
is a common sight in late July and August. Here is another 1st brood W.W. male taking in salt from this damp vegetation.
their energy levels after copulation. Mating takes a lot of the male butterflies energy,and that is why you will often see them
taking in salts from various sources such as animal droppings, burnt wood and damp soil etc.
Chalkhill and Adonis Blues are seen after mating in quite large numbers on dog poo, which
is a common sight in late July and August. Here is another 1st brood W.W. male taking in salt from this damp vegetation.
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